Friday, January 26, 2007


What's confusing about evolution to me is that it kind of disrupts the cosmology of the Christian universe.

The Christian world view is: God created a good earth but because of sin, it became evil.

If evolution were true, the above statement is not. The world was bad to begin with - thorns, death, suffering, selfishness etc...

The Catholic catechism teaches that death entered the world by sin. Whereas with evolution, death existed many millions of years before sin ever did. In other words Eve could have been mauled by a tiger before the fall and eaten in front of Adam's very eyes. Of course he would suffer greatly watching his loved one being killed and yet every time evil happens today (even natural evil) we attribute it to the fall. Think of your loved one being killed by a wild animal in front of you. Is this good or evil? Was this part of God's original design? Yet with evolution, there is no reasonable way to deny the very real probability that this would happen.

Now I guess you could argue that I'm viewing it from my own perspective where time exists.. So maybe, as God acted out of chronological order with Mary in the immaculate conception, He did so with evolution as well. That is, He inserted the evil effects of the fall of man as soon as He laid the foundation of the planet. That, to me sounds intuitively wrong. God has not been known to act that way in other areas, why in this?

Catholic dogma of course teaches that there was a real Adam and Eve- they were not symbolic. We all descended from one man and one woman. This is a probabilistic impossibility given evolution. But God directed it, by killing off every other homosapien in existence? Now the theory starts sounding a little silly.

If you can picture the pre-Adam & Eve world (given a theistic evolution approach) you would have a world populated by thousands (at least - although no population growth algorithm would allow for anything less than billions and billions at that time) of humans with an intelligence level not distinguishable from ours today and with language and culture. There would be a lot of sadness and suffering, killing each other, absolutely no moral control they would behave like... well like humans do today. Despite the massive number of humans that would have existed and their intelligence level being indistinguishable from ours today, for some reason they didn't really do anything. They left behind no traces of their civilizations. Then somehow, all but 2 must have died. Maybe God killed them. Who knows....

The two left were implanted with something called a soul. Though they were not really any different after this event except that God said don't do X and now they magically have culpability if they were to do X. They are not any smarter. It's not like they now have free will as if they didn't before (animals have free will but do not have souls). So whatever has changed is more or less unexplainable.

I dont understand this theory or how anyone could believe in it. Yet, so many extremely intelligent people do. Though still, there are many who don't. In fact, most people don't (at least in America) I'm not sure about elsewhere.

Then again, according to the above article (and I think readily accepted as common sense) the more educated someone is, the more they tend to believe in evolution. Two observations about that: #1 its not necessarily a causal relationship & #2 even if it were it's cause is a man-made education which itself can be faulty to begin with. We also find that the more educated someone is, the more liberal they tend to be. Neither of these facts are surprising considering that A) the establishments of higher education are largely overrun with godless liberals and B) people in general (in this case the students) tend to have difficulties thinking for themselves when popular consensus leads in a certain direction.

Right now, the consensus among scientists is that man evolved. Popular (even unanimous) scientific consensus has been wrong; even completely wrong many times throughout history (and even on subjects to which there was no obvious bias). However, many do have a strong bias in favor of the evolutionary theory.

Putting these facts together, along with the fact that I have yet to hear a convincing argument for evolution - I have to say I cannot accept the theory. I am no anthropologist or biologist so I can only go on what others tell me and basic logic.

Maybe my logic is flawed and maybe I'm not listening to the right people. If so, I'm all ears.


NotMyOpinion30 said...

Never go into battle (discussion) with dissident and self-proclaimed intellectual Catholics without first arming yourself with the Catechism, the Traditions of the Church and exegetes on the Scriptures, and Pope Pius XII's encyclical "Humani Generis" (among other encyclicals, that one just happens to have the same effect as a crucifix applied with pressure on the forehead of a vampire).

I cannot stress enough how important it is to have these things at the ready. Without them, the conversation will always drift into their world of relativism upon which there will be no return. Save yourself from viewing the world of confusion through their eyes and protect yourself with the teachings of the Holy Mother Church. Reason cannot be separated from faith. Unfortunately, they have neither.

If they dissent against the ordinary Magisterium, they are not really Catholic. They just think they are. Unfortunately, for many Catholics, the Church is just another organized religion of preference. They do not truly believe that Christ instituted the Church Himself. Therefore, their true belief in the Real Presence must come into question.

BlueWizard said...

I admire your intellectual honesty and your attempt to reconcile faith with evolution, and the statement that preparing oneself with doctrine is a necessary precursor to any discussion. The following statement - namely, that "if they dissent, they are not really Catholic" is fraught with problems and tending toward judgment of others. But I digress.

Out of a recent (1996) speech by John Paul the Great:

"Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than an hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory."

Also, out of curiosity - where in Catholic dogma is it explicitly stated that Adam and Eve are real people?

Tim A. Troutman said...

Humanae Generis.