Saturday, June 21, 2008

More on Latin as a Veil

As a followup to my earlier post on Latin as a liturgical veil, I'd like to recommend Jeff Pinyan's excellent discussion: What is Sacred Language and Why Have It?

In it, he argues convincingly that vulgar language does not aid our participation, it hinders it! Likewise, liturgical language aids not hinders proper worship.


George Weis said...

Hey Tim,

Do you ever think the bride is to focused on herself?

That is not meant to be a jab, but rather a thought that has recently occurred to me.

As a bride prepares for her wedding, are her thoughts all about herself? Or are they focused on the groom. My wife would say "The Groom!" absolutely. That isn't to say she doesn't spend time preparing for him, but what a gross idea... a bride who is so captivated by herself.

Do you think sometimes we get wrapped up in the Church, and miss the GROOM?

I know this is off topic, but it just hit me again.


Tim A. Troutman said...

Well to those in life rafts floating around the ark, it may appear that the shipmasters speak too much about the ark. But they have good reason for doing so: to call everyone on board. For those on deck, the shipmasters speak more of her Maker and of her destination.

Another way of approaching this question is the fact that the only reason the bride has to focus on herself as much as she does, is because so many charges have been leveled against her saying that she isn't the bride at all. Much of her speech is just clarification of who she is and of her role in the cosmos. In a perfect world or even a better one, this wouldn't be necessary.

Principles aren't usually spoken much of until they're questioned. The early Church rarely mentioned herself except in the context of combating heresy. Thus, Ignatius found it necessary to speak of the Church by explaining how to know her "Where ever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" and Irenaeus and Tertullian found it necessary to show the Gnostics that they refuted them on the authority of the Church and here is her location and here is how we know who she is.

Jesus didn't speak much of His bride either in His earthly ministry. Twice in fact: once identifying her (she would be built on Peter) and once speaking of her authority to discipline Christians.

I think the bride continues to talk of herself in these same ways. She speaks of her authority "here is what I am able to do and why I am able to do it" and who she is "I am the bride of Christ and here's why I alone am heir to this title". It is true she speaks of these things rather frequently these days but I think it's because these things are questioned more frequently. Many say "you are not able to do this or that, you don't have the authority" or "you are not the bride of Christ, she is invisible" etc.. etc...

What do you think?

George Weis said...

Well my fine fellow, I'm not sure.

1) I have not become 100% convinced of the Roman Church being the CHURCH as you know. I struggle back and forth with the "what ifs".

2) I even mean those of us who think the Church is invisible sometimes are so self centered and also CHURCH focused.

Christ should be our focus hands down. I was once told that I thought to much of Jesus by an RC friend. In the same token, "The Church" flowed from their lips like a river. What does one do with that?

I do agree about the answering attacks things... I see that point.